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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I don't get it. There's no contention on that article meaning that it's been picked over and verified pretty well. Clearly you don't understand how wikipedia works. If you know something on there that's untrue or can't be verified, you're welcome to challenge it.

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Poster: groovernut Date: Apr 19, 2010 3:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Morons like you should stay away from any "wiki" until you pass an intelligence test. You fail so far.
BTW you can take the tin foil hat off it's obsolete.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Incidentally, you REALLY don't know how wikipedia works if you didn't notice that there are three pages' worth of archives of contentious discussion regarding that article! No contention on that subject, are you serious?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

No, *you* don't know how wikipedia works. Just because an article does not have evidence of conflict on the talk pages does *not* mean therefore the article is all true and correct. Whew!

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

17 years later with all the references at the bottom, do you think this is some obscure issue that nobody cares about? have you bothered reading it? what would be a better source? institutional reading materials like "encyclopedia brittanica" or maybe fox news? msnbc? cnn?

there's links throughout the wiki if you feel something is false you can see their sources...does mainstream media offer anything like that?

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

17 years later with all the references at the bottom, do you think this is some obscure issue that nobody cares about? have you bothered reading it? what would be a better source? institutional reading materials like "encyclopedia brittanica" or maybe fox news? msnbc? cnn?

there's links throughout the wiki if you feel something is false you can see their sources...does mainstream media offer anything like that?

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Poster: ringolevio Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I'm not sure if you're replying to me, but no, I wouldn't recommend Fox or MSNBC etc. Waco isn't a topic I'm an expert on, but the behavior of religious cults is a topic I'm quite familiar with. If I were you I'd look for more objective scholarly or journalistic reportage on the topic, not roam around the internet reading about it, 'cus that's going to be mostly conspiracy buffs. Even high school kids know wikipedia doesn't cut it as a critical source. Most articles on wikipedia related to controversial subjects are train wrecks with every comma and semi-colon disputed by partisans on either side of an issue, and the so-called moderators are often high school students themselves. People with an axe to grind on a particular topic will babysit "their" articles around the clock, or work in shifts to revert edits made by people they perceive as enemies. Take a look at pages related to Scientology, for instance.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 1:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I have refrained from posting myself because almost by defn anyone assoc with leading a "cult" is a criminal (and that goes for lots of mainstream religions...sorry).

I will bring it back to Jerry, as he defn had an issue with anyone that "had their fist out" and that, first and foremost, is what all the leaders of these wacko cults do/did...

Now, does that mean I defend my gobermint, right or wrong? No. But, I do know a cult when I see one...and this, was defn one...

And, for the record, NO, you do not have the right to impose your religious beliefs on innocents (under 18). The constitution says so--too many whackos defend their fundamentally selfish behavior under the banner of religious freedom...

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

So religious parents aren't allowed to talk about their beliefs with their children until they are 18?

But, it's okay to go the chain supermarkets, department stores, gas stations, day in and day out since the day you are born?

Consumerism and main-stream media becomes as much a religion as anything else...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 2:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I mis-spoke: you cannot do WHATEVER you want to them in the name of religion (ie, anything any reasonable individual would view as "harmful")...thus, you cannot deny medical care, generally, or allow for sacrifices, etc., etc.

You get the idea...within bounds, yes, you can; but not to the extreme of the cults in question (or even Mormons marrying off 12 yr old girls, right?).

And, I here on the other--but those are more "indirect" forms of harm, that you and I may agree on, but not everyone (ie, getting them fat on fast food, etc.).

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Poster: deadpolitics Date: Apr 19, 2010 4:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Thanks for the clarification. I am not coming out in support of power-hungry cult leaders, just wanted to support stealyourwife's assertion that the media and gov't will publicize a certain subjective perspective that makes the "normal" people seem vindicated.

Well these "normal" people may not copulate with 14 year olds, but their "normality" allows them to start wars all over the world during the course of which thousands of people are raped, abused, etc. What about all the secret shit the CIA/FBI does to accomplish some obscure agenda?

You get one guy brainwashing a compound of people in Texas and everyone flips a shit. There's millions of people brainwashed by the corporate media and gov't and either nobody bats an eye or says thats old news.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Apr 19, 2010 7:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Actually, a lot of us have noticed things like that since the 60s!

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

This article includes a list of references or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. Please help to improve this article by introducing more precise citations where appropriate. (January 2009


I guess you din't see this one, alot of words and a lot of reading tough I know, I just looked at the page and found this one with a BIG RED QUESTION MARK beside it

Survey sez....Sarah Palin !

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Poster: stealyourwife Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

I really don't know what you're talking about. I don't see anything with a BIG RED QUESTION MARK beside it.

And for the record, ad hom all you want, i don't support Palin. I support the constitution and you being a military man, took an oath to defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic.

wake up man, stop attacking me and do some research of your own

EDIT: Ok, i see about half way down on the article concerning the "Trial" hahah, nice try... Seeing as how no Davidians won any subsequent trials, i'm sure that the contentions were made by them and not your precious government.

This post was modified by stealyourwife on 2010-04-19 19:14:12

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Apr 19, 2010 12:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Don't forget the baby burners (Non-Dead)

Red and white, blue suede shoes, I'm Uncle Sam, how do you do?
Gimme five, I'm still alive, ain't no luck, I learned to duck.
Check my pulse, it don't change. Stay seventy-two come shine or rain.
Wave the flag, pop the bag, rock the boat, skin the goat.
Wave that flag, wave it wide and high